give sbmz a break, i like him and he speaks the very clever democratic man truth constantly where he can even on bbs.

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Originally posted by SBMZ:
Maybe in Frank Gambale message board! However, I strongly feel the necessity to constantly talk about it in the RIGHT gathering or BBS, since I KNOW that FREEDOM and Democracy (if you don’t like the word, change it to “Constitutional Republic”) we so treasure and are so blessed to have in our society are NOT something there permanently without our conscious effort to keep it since there clearly is a force which will diminish (if not completely destroy to create some kind of subtle dictatorship) it!

JUST MY OPINION THOUGH!!!!!!!

SBMZ

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Also, you don't answer question. Wound or bare the G String ? I read between your lines to see you say You do not attract girl with the shave down below. You learn Wiki then we talk. ahaahahahahahahah #$%#@@@@@@@@

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Originally posted by Alan:

Wound or bare the G String ?

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Alan
Bare all the way man....
it allways sounds better shaved...

Moko: you stirred the pot on this one! and when I get bashed in the paper I respond.. poor little SBMZ spouted off and I replied.. thats my right according to him!

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Originally posted by Alan:
Hahaha !!!!! Snakey you afraid like dog to smother me with answers again ?!&?
I very delightful to see your after so much years of time flow "by" like socialist society of we are finally free from no more!!!

Also, you don't answer question. Wound or bare the G String ? I read between your lines to see you say You do not attract girl with the shave down below. You learn Wiki then we talk. ahaahahahahahahah #$%#@@@@@@@@

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WHY you say "shave down BELOW". This would not happen in dictatorship where people happy with follicle endowment policy of DELICATES.
Me not like weak chi wa wa, me very delightful king charles spaniel type. Go read my intelligent speak on man with three testicle thread. Evryone dumb.

ha ha ha ha ha

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Originally posted by Alan:
I read between your lines to see you say You do not attract girl with the shave down below.

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"I think Frank pretty much summed it up. Music had nothing to do with why I was fired from Chick's band. David King, who was posting his opinion about my freedom of speech, picking technique and ego, has a lot to learn. Great band leaders rarely choose musicians for their technique. Phrasing, tone, and creativity are way more important. If I was known for my technique, I'd give up music. Chick liked my playing and I liked his, and still do. We didn't get along well, but I have the utmost respect for him as an improvisor.

It's true that I'm not a fast picker. I make up for that with my legato style, which tone-wise I prefer to picking anyway. Good legato players can execute fast lines with perfect timing just as well as guys who do it by picking. Regardless of playing style, Chick's music is difficult and requires a lot of practice to play, and one of the only proud things I took away from that gig is that I nailed every note in perfect time. Now that I'm older and see music in a completely different way, that doesn't mean **** to me. I still play fast lines from time to time, but rarely use them in composing because I think it sounds too athletic. I watch the NFL for that. I see students every day at GIT practicing on nothing but how fast they can pick, and the sound of it makes me want to throw up. Apparently some people really get off on the sports aspect of music. I know from experience - that wears off after you reach musical puberty.

Frank is correct when he says I was always a Joe Zawinul and Weather Report fan. I loved Chick's pre-Scientology jazz records and the first version of Return To Forever, but to be honest, I didn't like much of the music he wrote for the Elektric band, except for Silver Temple, the song that introduced me to the band and misled me to believe that all the music would be that good. Compared to that tune, most of the other music bordered on happy jazz. Even though Chick has written a lot of great music in his career, it was my feeling that this music was written mainly to make money. Not to mention my role in the band being so one-dimensional. I don't think I ever got to play two notes at the same time. So Frank is also correct to say my heart wasn't really into the gig.

My behavior with any girl I met on Chick's gig never made me late, or was in any way unprofessional. What got me fired was my refusal to obey Chick's orders, basically because I thought they were stupid. He told me not to go out with women from his audience because, and I quote, "it degrades the music." I disobeyed that order every chance I got. In fact I was furious that he'd bring music into a matter which was clearly about his religion. I had to really bite my tongue on that one. I said "I'm sorry, I don't want to offend anyone" but I came really close to saying "listen pal, the only one who's degrading music is you, for writing this cornball ****." In hindsight, even though that comment would've cost me a lot of money, I really wish I had said it.

I've never told this story publicly before but hey, why not, it's funny. There was a girl in Torino who was our interpreter for four days. I hit on her the first day and was hanging out with her every night. On the bus away from Torino, Chick and John were having a conversation. John said he had a religious experience there because he had visited one of the places where Jesus taught. Chick said he also had a religious experience there because he had visited one of the places where L. Ron Hubbard taught. Then Weckl said, "yeah, Henderson had a religious experience too - he ****ed the interpreter". Chick gave me an evil look, walked to the back of the bus and didn't speak to me for over a week. That little bitch acted like I was doing his wife. So **** him, **** Scientology, along with all the other religions who try to stop people from having a good time. Life's too short for that crap. I will say that Chick never once tried to convert me, but probably only because he knew it would be a total waste of time.

Frank is correct, I had a stereo rig, and to walk out 20 feet in front of it made it sound out of phase and weird. I don't play as well if my tone sounds bad to me. When I told Chick this, he said, and I quote: "Your perception of how you sound isn't as important as what the band looks like to the audience". That statement is appropriate in a Vegas revue or pop gig, not in a jazz group. If I want to stand there and play on the spot where it sounds the best to me, that's exactly what I'm going to do. If Chick didn't like me refusing his orders, he could fire me, which he did.

Someone posted that I was putting down being a sideman. I wasn't. Most jazz musicians get their start being sidemen, which is a great opportunity if it's for the right band leader. I was just saying that for those who want to be band leaders, writing your own music is more important.

I don't apologize for my views on religion - I was asked a question and I gave an honest answer. I also posted a warning that religious people could be offended by it. If people who read my board think my answers are inappropriate, ask your fellow posters to stop asking inappropriate questions. My opinion is that it's a forum, so all questions are OK, except for music lesson questions which should be accompanied by money.

I only ranted on Christianity and Scientology, because those are the only religions I've had any personal experience with, though I have no doubt that if I read the doctrine of any other religion, I'd find it to be equally ridiculous. If people want to wear beanie caps or parkas so god can't see their heads, fantastic, good luck with that, but don't try to take away my right as a comedian to make fun of it. To close this matter, many of my religious friends and relatives are among the nicest people I know, and just because I choose not to believe as they do, I would never try to change them, any more than I'd want them to change me. Freedom of religion is one of the things that makes us a civilized society, and even though my personal wish is for religion to go the way of the dinosaurs, I don't practice intolerance toward people unless they bother me first. I just feel sorry for them for allowing themselves to be brainwashed, therefore ruining their chance to enjoy the Roast of Flavor Flav and David Hasselhoff. Actually I take that back - there are many religious people who still maintain their secular sense of humor. I was just unfortunate to grow up with some hard core folks who wouldn't eat at Sizzler because they serve beer. "

(http://online-discussion.dhenderson.com/ScottHenderson/viewtopic.php?t=1102)

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Originally posted by Gstring:
From Scott's forum:

"I think Frank pretty much summed it up. Music had nothing to do with why I was fired from Chick's band. David King, who was posting his opinion about my freedom of speech, picking technique and ego, has a lot to learn. Great band leaders rarely choose musicians for their technique. Phrasing, tone, and creativity are way more important. If I was known for my technique, I'd give up music. Chick liked my playing and I liked his, and still do. We didn't get along well, but I have the utmost respect for him as an improvisor.

It's true that I'm not a fast picker. I make up for that with my legato style, which tone-wise I prefer to picking anyway. Good legato players can execute fast lines with perfect timing just as well as guys who do it by picking. Regardless of playing style, Chick's music is difficult and requires a lot of practice to play, and one of the only proud things I took away from that gig is that I nailed every note in perfect time. Now that I'm older and see music in a completely different way, that doesn't mean **** to me. I still play fast lines from time to time, but rarely use them in composing because I think it sounds too athletic. I watch the NFL for that. I see students every day at GIT practicing on nothing but how fast they can pick, and the sound of it makes me want to throw up. Apparently some people really get off on the sports aspect of music. I know from experience - that wears off after you reach musical puberty.

Frank is correct when he says I was always a Joe Zawinul and Weather Report fan. I loved Chick's pre-Scientology jazz records and the first version of Return To Forever, but to be honest, I didn't like much of the music he wrote for the Elektric band, except for Silver Temple, the song that introduced me to the band and misled me to believe that all the music would be that good. Compared to that tune, most of the other music bordered on happy jazz. Even though Chick has written a lot of great music in his career, it was my feeling that this music was written mainly to make money. Not to mention my role in the band being so one-dimensional. I don't think I ever got to play two notes at the same time. So Frank is also correct to say my heart wasn't really into the gig.

My behavior with any girl I met on Chick's gig never made me late, or was in any way unprofessional. What got me fired was my refusal to obey Chick's orders, basically because I thought they were stupid. He told me not to go out with women from his audience because, and I quote, "it degrades the music." I disobeyed that order every chance I got. In fact I was furious that he'd bring music into a matter which was clearly about his religion. I had to really bite my tongue on that one. I said "I'm sorry, I don't want to offend anyone" but I came really close to saying "listen pal, the only one who's degrading music is you, for writing this cornball ****." In hindsight, even though that comment would've cost me a lot of money, I really wish I had said it.

I've never told this story publicly before but hey, why not, it's funny. There was a girl in Torino who was our interpreter for four days. I hit on her the first day and was hanging out with her every night. On the bus away from Torino, Chick and John were having a conversation. John said he had a religious experience there because he had visited one of the places where Jesus taught. Chick said he also had a religious experience there because he had visited one of the places where L. Ron Hubbard taught. Then Weckl said, "yeah, Henderson had a religious experience too - he ****ed the interpreter". Chick gave me an evil look, walked to the back of the bus and didn't speak to me for over a week. That little bitch acted like I was doing his wife. So **** him, **** Scientology, along with all the other religions who try to stop people from having a good time. Life's too short for that crap. I will say that Chick never once tried to convert me, but probably only because he knew it would be a total waste of time.

Frank is correct, I had a stereo rig, and to walk out 20 feet in front of it made it sound out of phase and weird. I don't play as well if my tone sounds bad to me. When I told Chick this, he said, and I quote: "Your perception of how you sound isn't as important as what the band looks like to the audience". That statement is appropriate in a Vegas revue or pop gig, not in a jazz group. If I want to stand there and play on the spot where it sounds the best to me, that's exactly what I'm going to do. If Chick didn't like me refusing his orders, he could fire me, which he did.

Someone posted that I was putting down being a sideman. I wasn't. Most jazz musicians get their start being sidemen, which is a great opportunity if it's for the right band leader. I was just saying that for those who want to be band leaders, writing your own music is more important.

I don't apologize for my views on religion - I was asked a question and I gave an honest answer. I also posted a warning that religious people could be offended by it. If people who read my board think my answers are inappropriate, ask your fellow posters to stop asking inappropriate questions. My opinion is that it's a forum, so all questions are OK, except for music lesson questions which should be accompanied by money.

I only ranted on Christianity and Scientology, because those are the only religions I've had any personal experience with, though I have no doubt that if I read the doctrine of any other religion, I'd find it to be equally ridiculous. If people want to wear beanie caps or parkas so god can't see their heads, fantastic, good luck with that, but don't try to take away my right as a comedian to make fun of it. To close this matter, many of my religious friends and relatives are among the nicest people I know, and just because I choose not to believe as they do, I would never try to change them, any more than I'd want them to change me. Freedom of religion is one of the things that makes us a civilized society, and even though my personal wish is for religion to go the way of the dinosaurs, I don't practice intolerance toward people unless they bother me first. I just feel sorry for them for allowing themselves to be brainwashed, therefore ruining their chance to enjoy the Roast of Flavor Flav and David Hasselhoff. Actually I take that back - there are many religious people who still maintain their secular sense of humor. I was just unfortunate to grow up with some hard core folks who wouldn't eat at Sizzler because they serve beer. "

(http://online-discussion.dhenderson.com/ScottHenderson/viewtopic.php?t=1102)

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Thanks for bringing my post back !

Obviously, some stuff needed to be spoken out. Thanks to Scott, I have the greatest respect for him.

As for Chick, one has another proof one can be a genius and have a totalitarian mind when it comes to leaving people live their life. Of course, the truth is somewhere between what Frank said and Scott's version.

Chick is one of the warmest, gentlest and sincerest humans I have ever met. He is 100% musician. His body of work is superhuman and inspirational. I have a lot more respect for Chick Corea as a musician than I will ever have for Scott, no disrespect for Scott intended.

In my opinion when you're a sideman you need to respect the wishes of the band leader. If you work for contractor and he wants you move drywall from one end of the yard to the other you don't argue "well, why do I have to move it? Why can't I put it inside on the verandah?". No. It's true of any employer-employee dynamic.

I think Chick was well within reason to ask Scott to move to center stage for solos, I personally didn't think twice. As for religious beliefs I stayed away from what is obviously a touchy subject. I would rather talk about all the incredible music he has written, all the incredible people he has worked with, all the stories etc...

Anyway, come on guys "totalitarian" is just plain wrong...lighten up.

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I think I must chime in again. Scott is as entitled to his opinion as anyone else. If you are inclined to agree with him and his choices and way of life, then that's fine but calling Chick "totalitarian" is WAY out of line.

Chick is one of the warmest, gentlest and sincerest humans I have ever met. He is 100% musician. His body of work is superhuman and inspirational. I have a lot more respect for Chick Corea as a musician than I will ever have for Scott, no disrespect for Scott intended.

In my opinion when you're a sideman you need to respect the wishes of the band leader. If you work for contractor and he wants you move drywall from one end of the yard to the other you don't argue "well, why do I have to move it? Why can't I put it inside on the verandah?". No. It's true of any employer-employee dynamic.

I think Chick was well within reason to ask Scott to move to center stage for solos, I personally didn't think twice. As for religious beliefs I stayed away from what is obviously a touchy subject. I would rather talk about all the incredible music he has written, all the incredible people he has worked with, all the stories etc...

Anyway, come on guys "totalitarian" is just plain wrong...lighten up.

FG out

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Originally posted by ES347:
any celebrity, should never share their beliefs regarding religion or politics. Why? Because they will automatically piss off at least 50% of their fan base, guaranteed.

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After reading that, I have the utmost respect for Scott. Nuff said.

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So when one of your favorite artists witnesses to the crowd regarding his or her faith in God, you cheer "right on brother/sister"?

Scott has consistently shown great integrity and decency in his life and music.

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Originally posted by FG:
In my opinion when you're a sideman you need to respect the wishes of the band leader. If you work for contractor and he wants you move drywall from one end of the yard to the other you don't argue "well, why do I have to move it? Why can't I put it inside on the verandah?". No. It's true of any employer-employee dynamic.

FG out

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Well, it's basically true, but - why did Chick use Scott as a guitarist in the first place, if Scott has said from the beginning he did't want to play a Vegas show ?

Then we must admit the "stereo rig problem" was not the only reason Scott was fired. Religion played a reason too. Scott is a great musician, but he's obviously not a diplomat, from the way he writes.

Later,
FG

I feel I need to chime in once more as well. Frank is absolutely right. Any employee must obey the orders of the employer to keep their job, end of story.
At that time, I really needed the money which I was making on Chick's gig, yet I didn't agree with him telling me where to stand, or how to live my personal life. I had mixed feelings about keeping the gig, to say the least. I knew that I'd eventually be fired for not doing what he told me, and he did the right thing by firing me and getting someone who would do what he wanted. As pissed as we got at each other sometimes, we parted with no hard feelings and he even hired me again a couple years later for a movie score. Unlike Frank, I'm not a big fan of Chick Corea's music, even though I liked some of his earlier work. That certainly doesn't mean I don't respect him as a genius player. I agree with Frank, he could be a very warm person, but I saw another side of him when my actions offended his religious beliefs.

The main reason I'm posting here is because I want it known that I posted comments about religion on MY message board. This guy who posted that people in the public eye shouldn't give their opinions on religion or politics because it'll piss off their fans - no offence but that's such a cowardly attitude. I'm not pissed off at anyone for their religious beliefs, so why in the world would anyone be pissed off at me for my lack of them? I don't like Scientology, but if Chick does another acoustic piano trio album, I'll probably buy it.

My problem is with evangelists - people who feel it's their job to convert others. This is documented: Chick Corea has given sermons on Scientology AT HIS GIGS. I've never said a word about religion at one of mine. Nor have I ever gone to any public place, real or virtual, to voice my opinion on religion or politics - only on my own message board, where people ask me questions. If anyone is so offended at my lack of religion that it stops them from buying my records, it's fine with me because I don't want to sell records to idiots.

He must be a happy man!

Oh, and he's not a bad musician either...

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Originally posted by FG:
Here's a message that Scott asked me to post.
I have just registered him so he will be able to post his own replies if he feels the need from this point forward.

Later,
FG

I feel I need to chime in once more as well. Frank is absolutely right. Any employee must obey the orders of the employer to keep their job, end of story.
At that time, I really needed the money which I was making on Chick's gig, yet I didn't agree with him telling me where to stand, or how to live my personal life. I had mixed feelings about keeping the gig, to say the least. I knew that I'd eventually be fired for not doing what he told me, and he did the right thing by firing me and getting someone who would do what he wanted. As pissed as we got at each other sometimes, we parted with no hard feelings and he even hired me again a couple years later for a movie score. Unlike Frank, I'm not a big fan of Chick Corea's music, even though I liked some of his earlier work. That certainly doesn't mean I don't respect him as a genius player. I agree with Frank, he could be a very warm person, but I saw another side of him when my actions offended his religious beliefs.

The main reason I'm posting here is because I want it known that I posted comments about religion on MY message board. This guy who posted that people in the public eye shouldn't give their opinions on religion or politics because it'll piss off their fans - no offence but that's such a cowardly attitude. I'm not pissed off at anyone for their religious beliefs, so why in the world would anyone be pissed off at me for my lack of them? I don't like Scientology, but if Chick does another acoustic piano trio album, I'll probably buy it.

My problem is with evangelists - people who feel it's their job to convert others. This is documented: Chick Corea has given sermons on Scientology AT HIS GIGS. I've never said a word about religion at one of mine. Nor have I ever gone to any public place, real or virtual, to voice my opinion on religion or politics - only on my own message board, where people ask me questions. If anyone is so offended at my lack of religion that it stops them from buying my records, it's fine with me because I don't want to sell records to idiots.

Scott Henderson

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WOW !! Two of the greatest jazz musicians ever talk together on my thread ! I'm exhilarating, to say the least.
First thing I'd like to say is that without you two guys, Frank and Scott, my life would me a miserable one. Now, I don't have much time to play guitar, but I'll always remember those happy hours and inspiration you gave me. That's for the personal part.

As for the historical facts, I'd like to understand, why Chick - who obviously knew what he wanted, did hire you, Scott, in the first place, if you disagreed with him on such important (for him!) points. Why didn't he hire Frank in the first place ??? Or Frank wasn't available at that time ??? That's the point I'd like to clear out.

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Originally posted by Scott Henderson:
Hi Guys,
Just want to say thanks to Frank for allowing me to post here and as he knows, I think he's an amazing player. I miss the days when he was at GIT and we used to jam for hours! I had no idea that posts from my message board would be copied and pasted here. I kept the reply which I asked Frank to post short, because it feels intrusive for me to write long posts here - this board is supposed to be about Frank, not me. The full version of that post is on my board - 2.10 part 2.

Frank followed me after I left three bands, but if those three band leaders had heard Frank at the same time as me, it could have easily gone the other way. I did get a call from Miles, which was exciting, but I had just been to a Miles Davis concert where they were playing Cyndi Lauper tunes and honestly the band members looked like they weren't having much fun. Miles never looked at them, or the audience. I thought it was best if I stayed out of that scene, even though it would have probably been a good "resume move". I've always loved the music of Joe Zawinul so it was an easy decision to take that gig instead.
All the best,
Scott

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I might as well answer this question while I'm here.
"As for the historical facts, I'd like to understand, why Chick - who obviously knew what he wanted, did hire you, Scott, in the first place, if you disagreed with him on such important (for him!) points"

When I had my first meeting with Chick, he asked me, do you smoke pot or take any illegal drugs? I said no. Then he asked, do you drink alcohol? I said no. That was it. He didn't ask, do you like to have sex with girls? I wanted the gig, so I guess if he had've asked that, I would have said, um...........no.
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We all love your stuff and FG's stuff, so this is a thrill for us. I shouldn't speak for everyone, but we sure have talked a lot about you over here for many years.

of course I'm fantasizing about a tour, SH and FG on one bill would get a lot of attention.....

I'm always suspect of anyone who says " I like black, but hey, I'm not saying I don't like white'.

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He didn't ask, do you like to have sex with girls? I wanted the gig, so I guess if he had've asked that, I would have said, um...........no.

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But, have any of you thought who's missing?

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Originally posted by Keep Practicing:
Okay, Scott's here, Frank's here....
......but, have any of you thought who's missing?

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Originally posted by FG:
Chick heard Scott and had never heard me.
Scott was around a while longer in LA and was further down the road than me at the time. I was following in his footsteps so to speak. I replaced Scott in Jeff Berlin's group, and then I replaced him in Jean-luc Ponty's group and then again in Chick's group. Scott paved the way for me hahaha...thanks Scott.
When Scott got the gig with Chick I went, damn...I'll never get a chance to play with Chick now because I know how great a guitar player Scott is. I went, oh well, it could be worse, I love playing with Ponty too.
So when Scott exited CCEB I jumped at the chance to play in that group because I thought that Scott would have it locked up for years to come.
I think nature put things in proper order.
Later,
FG

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Originally posted by scotth:
I might as well answer this question while I'm here.
"As for the historical facts, I'd like to understand, why Chick - who obviously knew what he wanted, did hire you, Scott, in the first place, if you disagreed with him on such important (for him!) points"
When I had my first meeting with Chick, he asked me, do you smoke pot or take any illegal drugs? I said no. Then he asked, do you drink alcohol? I said no. That was it. He didn't ask, do you like to have sex with girls? I wanted the gig, so I guess if he had've asked that, I would have said, um...........no.

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That's what I call historical jems. I didn't realize Scott and FG didn't compete with each other, since Scott was the household name at that time, and FG's wasn't yet. And the fact Scott wanted the job so bad he was ready to lie on crucial things. It's strange, tough, Chick didn't ask question about religious beliefs. Or he wasn't fully "aware" at that particular time ??

I wish I could write a book on the fusion scene, its evolution and impact, from the social point of view: how people got together, mingled with each other, created networks, competed with each other, etc. Thanks so much for taking the time to answer, I know how your time is precious... And of course, the question of religious beliefs in fusion.

The CCEB is a fascinating subject in itself, since it appears to me Chick was the "catalyser" for new talents, as was Miles and Joe Z. and JLPonty. Someone mentioned the name of Allan Holdsworth before, apparently Allan was too much of a "stranger" to even think he could play before wide audiences. And talking about religion, Allan's beer obviously.

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Actually that was just a joke. It's not about sex, its about monogamy, which is a big part of Scientology and many other religions. If Chick had asked, are you a monogamous person, I would have said, I have been, but right now I'm single so I'm "playing the field". Sexual harassment laws prevent an employer from saying you have to become celibate to get a job, priesthood excepted. If he had've just asked me as a personal favor to keep that part of my life out of his face because it offends his beliefs, I could have dealt with that. The interpreter story would have been contained if it wasn't for Weckl's big mouth, but I could never be mad at Dave for not being able to resist a perfectly timed joke. It got me in trouble but it was worth it for comedy's sake.

Bottom line, playing in CCEB made me feel like I was back living with my parents. My final thoughts, which I learned from the great philosopher Jerry Springer: Tolerance is easy when you're dealing with strangers or acquaintances, but harder when you're trapped for months with people on a bus. We all know that playing in a band isn't just about music, but also very much about personalities. My advice is to stay out of bands where you can't be yourself.

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Nah, I've just watched Kirk Covington on his show a lot. I'm outa here.

SH

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